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Daniel Baker: We are never seen for what we are

 

Daniel Baker, one of the artists whose work is exhibited at Paradise Lost-The First Roma Pavilion at the Venice Biennale, talks about Roma identity, difficulties the Roma experience in his native Great Britain, and his art work that represents the “Imaginary Places, created by society for the Gypsies”

 

By Ágnes Bihari, originally published in the Hungarian daily Népszabadság on August 8, 2007

 

Daniel Baker holds a degree in sociology and started to write his Ph.D. dissertation last year, but works as an artist. We met in Venice, at what is the first ever Roma Pavilion in the history of the 112-year-old Biennale. Because Daniel is Roma; his subject, both as an artist and as a scholar, is what he knows best: the Roma of England.

 

“I come from a family of Romani Gypsies; I live in London, but my grandparents still travelled around Kent. Travellers represent a big issue in Great Britain. Most of the 300,000 Roma there would prefer caravanning to settled life, but the laws and the authorities make this really difficult for them. Caravans are not allowed to stop for any length of time, and when they do, the police immediately tells them to move on. Since the authorities do not offer sites where they can have water and electricity, they in effect push them towards settled life. In Germany, for instance, this is different: there all settlements, even the smallest ones, are bound by law to designate a site where caravans can stop for three days; if they want to stay longer, they must discuss this with the mayor, and must pay for their stay. We are now campaigning in England for more sites, and the possibility for families to have access to education and healthcare wherever they happen to be, because the present situation is pretty miserable.”

 

You’d never think Daniel Baker is a Roma. He looks and talks like any middle-class Anglo-Saxon, though to be fair, each Roma artist at the opening ceremony in the Palazzo Pisani owned a different physiognomy, social background and personal history.

 

“The Roma identity is rather complex and changeable. There is of course a stereotype of what a Roma should look like, though the European Roma are very diverse, if only because historically they crossed a great many different areas, often mixing with the natives. In Scandinavia, for instance, there are a lot of blond Roma. In England, incidentally, they appeared about five centuries ago. For a long time, the English Channel cut them off from the continent, because travelling by land was what kept them alive. So in the course of the centuries, they developed their own dialect.

 

“The family is what gives us a sense of belonging, it is our anchorage, so in England we think about clans, not various Roma groups. For me, being a Roma is not a question, but I also have a strong English identity. But this is true of everyone, is it not? One of the diverse elements of identity always comes to the fore.”

 

At the 52nd Venice Biennale, which lasts until November 21, sixteen European Roma artists exhibit their works. Daniel Baker presents pictures painted on mirrors, and ban signs mounted on wooden posts. They are beautiful, but it helps a lot to be told what gave him the inspiration.

 

“The mirrors, which I started to use for canvases four years ago, refer to an imaginary place, which society created for the Gypsies. We are never seen for what we are. We are either represented simply as a social problem, or as a Romantic, somewhat mythic figure, with a fiddle and things like that. This is what the inscriptions in the works refer to. The wood used for the signs actually comes from an abandoned caravan site. The prohibitions I painted on them – “No camping!”; “No entry!” – are obvious references to the restrictions the Roma caravans encounter during their travels. Those few that still travel, that is my parents, for instance, met while they were still travelling; their respective families were wandering between caravan sites in Kent, where there was a lot of seasonal work in agriculture. Then somebody suddenly bought the land that gave home to one of the largest permanent caravan sites, and the authorities offered houses in its vicinity to the caravanners. My parents accepted the offer, and have been living a settled life ever since. So I and my six brothers and sisters all went to school proper. I soon proved good at drawing, and decided I wanted to spend my life in art. And it now looks like I’ll manage to do just that.”

 

Photo: Daniel, for years, has been painting on mirrors, instead of canvas.  Photo by Karl Grady.

 

For the Daniel Baker’s statement for the Paradise Lost and photography of his work, click here.

For the original article in Hungarian click here.



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